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STEVEN GRANT ROGERS

* How I FEEEEEL about this character--

Oh, man. There is so much I want to say about Steve! This will be long.

I love that he always does the right thing, even when it puts him at odds with his country. I love that he's not loyal to a government, but to an ideal. I love that he won't judge someone without evidence, and even the seemingly least-redeemable character should be given a second chance. I love that he does his duty without faltering, but takes no pleasure in doing things that hurt others, even if he has to.

I love that he's an artist and was totally trolling the entire in-universe Marvel Comics company by drawing his own book. I love that he sometimes sketches Bucky, as well as other people he's lost over the years.

I love that he decorates his apartment with things from his own era, and that none of the other Avengers give him shit for it. I love that Nick Fury bought him some of the old The Shadow radio show and they both sat, listening to it, for an evening.

I love that he's respected by everyone in-universe not because of how badass he is, but because of how good he is. I love that he's still also kind've everyone's badass grandpa, in the best way.

I love that he punched Hitler.

I love that he was able to keep The Invaders together, despite all of the in-fighting, simply because everyone looked up to him enough to listen when he said "work together." I love that he never really got involved with the shadowy vengeance-minded shit that some of the other wartime heroes did. I love that he didn't start out his wartime career as a perfect soldier, and made a ton of mistakes before really figuring it all out.

I love that, despite living in the modern era for quite a while, now, he's still got his manners and charm and belief that everyone should be treated with respect. I love that nothing he sees in our time has made him lose hope. I love that nothing he saw in his own ever did.

I love that he's got a deep attachment to his shield, and is utterly dejected whenever he loses it.

I love that, of all of the Avengers , Steve is the only one George Perez consistently draws with severe cowl-hair. I love that he's the de facto father figure of any Avengers team. I love that he's always the voice of reason in a team squabble.

I love that, even when he was teeny!Steve, he still had every last ounce of heart and determination that he has now. I love that he worked for the WPA. I love that he keeps a picture of his mother in a footlocker under his bed.

I love that he remembers every soldier that has ever died under his command, and never forgets their names.

I love that, even though he's been both Captain America and the head of SHIELD, he still insists on being called "Steve."

* All the people I ship romantically with this character--

~~I totally ship Steve/US Bill of Rights~~.

I guess Sharon, since she's been around the longest (in-universe time-wise) and is currently there. Also Bernie.

I'm really not terribly interested in Steve's interactions with anyone, romantically. I find his platonic relationships to be more interesting. I'll read Steve romance, but I don't favor it strongly.

* My non-romantic OTP for this character--

Steve and Bucky. Also Steve and Hawkeye, and Steve and Falcon, and... Steve has a lot of BFFs. Steve and Sharon also make a good non-romantic team.

But, overall, I do prefer Bucky as Steve's wingman. Possibly with Sam in there for ultimate BroT3 action.

* My unpopular opinion about this character--

Steve's not immortal or whatever the hell else Marvel seems to think the super soldier serum did to him. He's aging, just like everyone else. I actually like to think of Steve as currently closer to middle age, now. Still fit and totally able to kick your ass, but not the young buck he was when he was frozen, and certainly coming down off of his prime... albeit slowly.

Edited 2011-10-08 07:11 (UTC)

* One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon--

I wish Marvel would come up with a set history for Steve during WWII. Everyone wants to put him in various battles all over the globe during that period, because hey, who doesn't want to put Captain America into X battle? But, really, all it ends up doing is making the whole war confusing as hell.

Barring that... I kinda wish Civil War had never happened. It was an interesting plotline, but it felt really strained for all of the characters involved, especially Steve. If anything has been OOC in the last few years, I think Civil War pushed that button a few too many times. Not that Steve sticking to his morals was OOC by any means, but the fact that it even got there in the first place made me side-eye the whole debacle like woah.

ALL OF THIS, FOREVER!

Captain America's fighting spirit is teeny!Stevie, IMO.

He has so many bros.

Civil War was ... let's not even talk about it. *covers eyes with hand*

Captain America's fighting spirit is teeny!Stevie, IMO.

Yes. It is true. teeny!Steve is, well, teeny!Steve. He's the little guy who never backs down, never gives up, and will never take "no" for an answer.

Not gonna lie -- when I saw the movie, I was a little disappointed when teeny!Steve went away, because I would totally have gone for that. But then I realized that they were smart and didn't fall into the (stupid) trap of changing Steve's personality along with his physique, and all was right with the world. :3

If you haven't yet, read through Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty. There are a few good teeny!Steve moments in there.

He has so many bros.

(http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/ffnet_kiff/?action=view&current=teeny_bros.jpg)

SO MANY.

Edited 2011-10-09 04:17 (UTC)

He's the little guy who never backs down, never gives up, and will never take "no" for an answer.

He's the guy who was determined to join the army and go fight Nazis etc. because it was the right thing to do, even though he was little and sickly.

If you haven't yet, read through Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty. There are a few good teeny!Steve moments in there.

Is that the adventures of Commander Rogers kicking the butts of people who take a new superserum even though his has supposedly been drained from his body? With the "I KO you with a fire extinguisher" moment?

Haha, I haven't read the comics that pic is from but I keep finding scans. Mostly from Tony/Steve shippers. (Steve can do so much better! But honestly, Tony couldn't. *cough*)

Is that the adventures of Commander Rogers kicking the butts of people who take a new superserum even though his has supposedly been drained from his body? With the "I KO you with a fire extinguisher" moment?

I don't remember the fire extinguisher, but there was a great moment with a flagpole on a grandstand stage. SOL was a fairly short-lived series in the late 90s -- I think I even recommended an Invaders arc from there, not too long ago. It featured a lot of little flashback stories and, since it ran concurrently with the regular Cap book, it could afford to be almost an anthology sometimes, because folks were getting their regular story fix from the main book.

Haha, I haven't read the comics that pic is from but I keep finding scans.

It's called Avengers: Prime, and it really is a nice little story. Thor, Cap, and Tony get catapulted into a f-up part of the Nine Realms and have to fight the evil force that dragged them there.

Includes the lines:

"Where did you get that armor?"

"I stole it from some elves."

"...Of course you did."

This was definitely more recent than the 90s, but I can't find the page I thought I saved. Basically, they somehow neutralized all the super serum in Steve, reverting him to teeny!Steve. 9I don't think this should have worked, personally.) At which point they thought he was helpless. They were wrong.

More quotes:

"Any excuse to get me to hold you in my arms."

"You see right through me."

This is what I meant.

...

Steve just brained someone with a fire extinguisher. I'm not sure how I feel about this. Because up to that point, he'd been fairly non-lethal, and then... KWAAANG!

I guess I can buy that he just gave the guy a really severe concussion, but... Damn, Steve.

Dude kept coming after Steve shot his legs out. AS they say on Vulcan, "The cause was sufficient."

(And anyway, those baddies are all hoppe dup on a new super-soldier serum extract. They'll probably recover.)

Edited 2011-11-16 01:37 (UTC)

Never let Steve and Spock meet -- they'd probably be BFFs. X3

I enjoy thinking about comic book peeps meeting Star Trek peeps. Kon seems to haev a special affinity with Kirk, for example.

Although the Legion of Superheroes/Star Trek (TOS) crossover mini we're getting right now is moving awfully slowly. They only just encoutnered each other at the end of issue 2, and they're so clearly about to have a "two good guy teams meet and through a misunderstanding end up fighting before teaming up against the real bad guys" thing.

I did not even know there was a crossover going! :o

Yep. They keep messing up Chekov's hair, and so far all we've seen of the main villain (the Emperor) is a goatee. It might be Vandal Savage. It might be a good guy gone evil.

The Coluans seem to have merged with the Vulcans. o_O

Am I too late??

Um, if not... BOB!

Am I too late??

Never! :D

* How I FEEEEEL about this character--

Prior to The Dresden Files airing, I can't say that I'd really enjoyed a TV show in a long, long while. Sure, I'd watched Supernatural and Smallville and Enterprise (my first few years of college were made up of reruns and "wait, there's a new episode of [insert show here] this week?"), but Dresden was one of those shows I really got into. I was excited about new episodes. I wanted there to be more, right now, why isn't there a new episode on, how do I program my VCR? Further, and more importantly for this meme, Bob was the first character I'd really fallen in love with in years.

Bob pushed all the right buttons: I'm a sucker for redemption stories. And for smartass bastards with (fairly hidden) hearts of gold. And for romance that is never fully realized on-screen, because hinting is so much more fun. Did I mention buddycop? Oh, dear lord, do I love me some buddycop. And the Bob-Harry dynamic made me squee like you wouldn't believe. They were partners, but also brothers (in magic, in fucking up, in having others fuck them over), and also mentor-pupil/father-son in a way that never got too cheesy.

In short, Bob was one of those characters I clung to like a baby monkey.

So, the show ended and I cursed SciFi and fairly resigned myself to never seeing Bob again. Then I discovered the online fandom. More importantly, fanfic. I had not even gone looking during the show's actual run. But there was fanfic. A lot. And a great deal was centered around the old ghost.

I'd never been a fan of extended canon up to that point. Headcanon, that is. If it wasn't written by the Hand of God, I really had no interest in considering it part of a given storyline. But the fanfic went and fleshed out things the show didn't or couldn't. For a loosely-connected group of ficcers, folks sure had a way of tapping into a single awesome hivemind about a lot of the Bob stuff. It made me happy, because it meant I could keep up with a fandom I loved, with a character I loved, and still feel like I was part of something living and evolving.

So, with that, the following bit of bwee is a mix of both true canon and delicious fanon. I've stopped drawing a line between them -- frankly, I don't think it really matters anymore. With a series that only runs one season (and is a totally different beast from its source material), I'm okay with fanon running wild. It's more fun that way. :3

I love Bob's backstory. Like I said, I'm a sucker for redemption stories, and boy, does Bob have a doozy of one. In the Dresden-verse, you can't get much nastier than a necromancer, and our boy Bob not only went there, he bought a vacation home there. But, despite all that, he's a good guy at heart, and is now trying to make up for his past fuck ups.

I love the way Harry and Bob interact. If snark is the language of love, those two are the ultimate bros. I love that their idea of bonding is to bitch at eachother about basic necessities like rent and food. I love that they care for eachother enough to forgive the other when they screw up. I love that they're both loyal to one another, even to the point of self-destruction (damnit, Bob). I love that they'll readily defend one another, even to a large, angry man with a sword.

I love the the "lost love" thing. Prior to meeting Harry, everything that was good about Bob was tied up with his love of Winifred. It kept him from ever being a complete black-hearted bastard like Morningway. We don't ever see Winifred, but thank you, fandom, for making that character awesome. It's probably a testament to the hints the writers did give us in the series and the great acting that folks came up with a complement to Bob that rocks so hard. I love Winifred, and I love seeing Bob interact with Winifred. I love that she's not just a sue, but a fully realized character, in her own right.

I love that Bob is a badass. Not only when he's actually free and running around as a mortal, but he's still got tons of badass even when he's non-corporeal. You piss him off badly enough, it doesn't matter that he doesn't have a body, he will fuck you up. Angry Bob is downright scary. And for good reason -- if half the spells we see from him during the series run are any indication, our buddy Bob could probably turn you inside out without much of a thought. (Admittedly, handy for walnuts.)

And, lastly, I love that Bob still tries to do the right thing. He's got 1000 years (give or take a century) of getting kicked in the teeth and pent up rage and thoughts of revenge and "you will serve me, ghost"... But he's a good guy, underneath it all. Granted, waaaay underneath. But it's there. Somewhere. If he weren't, he never could have raised Harry to be anything but evil. Not with Morningway's influence always just out of frame. Certainly not with Harry's own nasty inner demon just there, under the surface. But Harry turned out good. Bob may have a wicked streak (a fairly large one), but he set it aside when it counted, and that's awesome.

* All the people I ship romantically with this character--

Winifred, of course.

* My non-romantic OTP for this character--

Harry! :D

* My unpopular opinion about this character--

Bob and Winifred were grade-A nasty sorcerers, back in the day. You know the type: Curse-wielding, village-burning, puppy-kicking... They might've started out gray, but something pushed both over the deep end, way before Bob turned to necromancy.

...Okay, maybe not puppy-kicking. Mostly because Bob would've adopted any puppies he found. And then likely turned them into hellhounds. (He's named it Tiddles!)

* One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon--

WINIFRED! DAMN YOU, SCIFI. At least they could've wrapped up Bob's sidestory. Or given some hint that there was a resolution. A little more explanation on the arrow, or the fact that Bob and Winifred's story is known as more-or-less a fairytale. Anything would have been preferable to the utter lack of info that SciFi gave us. Boo.

Edited 2011-10-10 15:58 (UTC)

Okay... so I've spent a long time trying to come up with a response more clever than: *squeeee* "OMG!!! WAT SHE SED!!!"

Hee! That was perfect, down to even the "unpopular opinion"--which I have a slightly different take on, but verges close enough that it makes no never mind, really (and DEF no puppy kicking!). :D

You so rock.

...he "unpopular opinion"--which I have a slightly different take on, but verges close enough that it makes no never mind, really...

Share with the class? :3

Bob and Winifred were grade-A nasty sorcerers, back in the day. You know the type: Curse-wielding, village-burning, puppy-kicking... They might've started out gray, but something pushed both over the deep end, way before Bob turned to necromancy.

Really the only thing I differ a little on is Winifred going all the way over along with Hrothbert. I think of her more in the gray range, even to the end. A village would have to be empty (as far as she knew) of regular folk, and full of the bad guys before she purposefully burned it. However.... she did earn some of the fearful gossip, as collateral damage sometimes happened, regrettably. Her pride and prickly temper got her into trouble-- dreams filled with guilt, anger, blood and vengeance causing her to "retire" into rural midwifery (where my fanon has her eventually meeting Hrothbert of Bainbridge).

See? We can differ 'cause I'm totally NOT the canon/fandom/fanon/whathaveyou police! Your view works fine, too. :D

*noms delicious fanon* :9

I love different fanons. And I think Winifred is so fun because everyone has their own version of her backstory.

Someday, I'd love to organize a mini-ficathon that's centered just around different backstories for Hrothbert and Winifred.

I love different ones, too. And Winifred should definitely had screen time!

Hey, if you organized such an animal, I'd participate and I'd hope that Cyloran would also. I really, really need to write up a few more bunnies. It's been awhile. :)

Is that the snuffly, hoppity sound of plotbunnies I hear? :o

I hope so! I need to grab me one and mek it talk. :P

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